- Use options: Had plenty of heartbreaks when my put gets assigned or shares gets called away, but that's how I get shares for cheaper or hedge against risks of big drops in the market. I generally only sell options to collect premium, though buying calls can certainly be very profitable, but on the short term it is like a lottery ticket, and over the long term you pay for a lot of time value.
FireLand27 : hi..which stocks you invested?
Moonsoir Francois OP FireLand27 : Hello,
My biggest winners are some growth stocks (Palantir, Sofi) and some cyclical stocks (e.g. robin hood, coinbase)- as a general rule of thumb, I look at 2 things
Macro elements: E.g My brokerage plays are in anticipation of falling interest rates leading to greater money supply and therefore more liquidity into crypto.
Forward PE ratio: Lower multiple = Closer to fair value. So stocks like Google are something I own too.
Of course sometimes I don't follow the rules and make some momentum plays but usually I don't sleep well when I do this.
Buy something that you can go to sleep with, I suppose is the most important:)
glenda yung : This year is indeed very performing. It is best for beginners or people who are busy to invest on etf and don’t look back. Sometimes we can also take advantage of the macro and news like election, earnings release to make a quick bet, it’s not day trading but can do with options. Just sharing.
Avalanche雪崩哥 : This horse is so high that I’m afraid you’re going to get hurt if you ever fall. Most people, at least people looking to start trading do not have 100k to start off. You prob had. But most don’t. If I had 100k, I’m better off without the risk.
Moonsoir Francois OP Avalanche雪崩哥 : Hello,
I did not start off with 100k, and had to work my up to get there. But that was clearly not the point.
What you're alluding to is exactly my point: That there are so many people flexing their gains now but what you don't see is the lows that they've had to/could go through. In fact if you look at my chart carefully, I've certainly fallen off the horse before (approx -50%) and it had certainly been hurtful.
As for taking risks, that's up to your own appetite. I'm not sure why you are criticising me for mine. I'm not advocating for taking big risks but taking controlled risks.
Just sharing some of my thoughts from the roller coaster which is the stock market. Thanks for taking the time to read and effort to leave a comment.
Avalanche雪崩哥 Moonsoir Francois OP : I believe we are aligned on this. I’m saying, you need not have to a friend of time if you were willing to put in the effort to learn, which is available for everyone to take your trading further. Including mine. What you are offering is an effortless way to generate wealth without effort for someone who’s prob older. But what I’m saying is that, to those who are trapped in their lives, but feels capable but under appreciated by the society, learn, learn more, it will carve out a path of sustainable financial freedom for you just as how it did for me. There is no pride in being the beta. Please don’t undermine the significance of hope for the young.
Moonsoir Francois OP Avalanche雪崩哥 : I like your point about continuous learning- I too am always trying to learn, about macroeconomics, about psychology, about companies.
I also agree that it may not be for everyone if you do not have a certain level of capital to sell options, as they have some capital requirements.
However I disagree that it's an effortless way to generate wealth- it takes time to learn about all the things I've mentioned above before I decide to invest in a company.
I also disagree that putting in effort equates to better returns- if that's the case then you wouldn't have >90% of hedge funds armed to the teeth with CFAs underperforming the index. For the average person, you'll be better off buying the index fund.
What I'm advocating is to invest in good companies at fair valuation- and doing so through options is a way to generate steady income /reduce cost of purchase. I really don't believe in 2x,3x or 10x your money over a short time as that would involve tremendous leverage and risk.
If all I had was $1000, I'd rather it grow at 10% a year than try to 10x it and losing it all.
As for being the beta, I'm not sure where that came from. I certainly don't have any pride. We are just in the market hoping to reach our financial goals faster, so if I am wrong I am happy to change.
Moonsoir Francois OP glenda yung : I agree that investing in ETFs is an excellent method for beginners. Always keep it simple!
Avalanche雪崩哥 Moonsoir Francois OP : Guess all roads takes you to Rome
Moonsoir Francois OP Avalanche雪崩哥 : Indeed, not everyone has the skill and stomach that you have to go up and down 10x. Best wishes and I hope you reach Rome faster than I do :)
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