Fast Charge with Tesla.

Red Guppy : Tesla Superchargers offer different charging speeds depending on the version of the charger:

V2 Superchargers: These can deliver up to 150 kW of power.

V3 Superchargers: These are the fastest, delivering up to 250 kW.


At a V3 Supercharger, a Tesla can add up to 75 miles of range in about 5 minutes, depending on the vehicle model and battery state. However, charging speeds may vary depending on the car's battery temperature, current state of charge, and other factors.

TWP PaPa OP Red Guppy : fossils and swaps are still the best.

Red Guppy TWP PaPa OP : A newer model with faster speed could replace the current models with new inventions coming out every time people complain the charging speed too slow.

Red Guppy TWP PaPa OP : Battery swap needs bigger space and high setup cost. Charging battery setup is cheaper and can be at any place even in the existing car parks. More economical.

Red Guppy : Setting up an electric vehicle (EV) charging point and a battery swapping station have significantly different costs and requirements. Here's a breakdown of the general setup costs:

1. EV Charging Point Setup (Fast Charger)

AC Level 2 Chargers: These are slower, delivering around 7-22 kW, and cost between $2,000 to $10,000 per charging point depending on power capacity, installation complexity, and location.

DC Fast Chargers: Faster chargers (like Tesla Superchargers) delivering 50-250 kW, cost between $20,000 to $100,000 per unit. Installation costs can add another $50,000 to $150,000, particularly for high-capacity chargers.

Total cost per fast charging station: Around $70,000 to $250,000.



2. Battery Swapping Station Setup

Battery swapping stations are more complex and costly due to automation, storage of multiple batteries, and real estate requirements:

Battery swapping machine: The initial cost of a battery swapping setup can be around $500,000 to $1 million for a station capable of swapping batteries for multiple vehicles.

Infrastructure: You’ll need land for the facility, an automated battery storage system, cooling, and possibly a more sophisticated energy storage system to manage the batteries.

Total cost per station: Typically $1 million or more for large-scale, fully automated setups like those used by companies like NIO in China.



Key Comparisons

Charging Stations: Require lower upfront costs but rely on users spending time to charge, which takes longer than swapping batteries.

Battery Swapping Stations: Require much higher upfront investment but offer faster service times (as low as 3-5 minutes) and may work better for fleet services or urban areas with limited parking space.


Charging stations are currently more widespread because of the lower setup cost, but battery swapping could be viable in specific, high-demand areas with high vehicle turnover or fleet use.

TWP PaPa OP Red Guppy : Anai...the 4th Gen Swap , I think is much cheaper now.

Red Guppy TWP PaPa OP : How much does it cost? Land rental cost is high. Unless Nio got money to buy the land.



Nio's 4th-generation battery swap station setup costs are estimated to be around ¥2 million to ¥3 million RMB (approximately $275,000 to $400,000 USD), based on various sources. These costs include the physical infrastructure, land leasing, equipment, and installation. However, final costs can vary depending on factors such as location, land costs, and local regulatory requirements.

The 4th-gen stations have increased efficiency, with faster swapping capabilities and more slots for battery storage. They are part of Nio’s strategy to expand their network of battery swapping stations to offer convenience to their users.

TWP PaPa OP Red Guppy : Rental we don't know yet, nio didn't reveal the neg cost and it is all individual state govt decide.