Markets apparently can't agree on where the U.S. Economy is headed.

104175567 : hard landing is not a threat to S&P, if it falls 60-70% then what? we buy it more. On the other hand inflation is not a threat to S&P either, it amplifies it's value unless there's new currency which has S&P like companies in it, I doubt it, the only thing now is you stay poor by staying sidelines and not investing, believing cash is king, timing the market etc, in the long run you need growing cashflow, it's the real king, your cashflow, not cash, then you need to constantly distribute your income to assets, not fear

104175567 : and I doubt that copper price will fall significantly, I think it never will, it's rare commodity that's utilized everywhere, it doesn't mean you should trade it, trading futures is one of the way to make you poor because smart money will take it from you

Arsoni5t 104175567 : How do you buy when it falls 60-70% if you don't time the market and keep a cash pile though?

104175567 Arsoni5t : this is the mistake I did decades ago, I kept timing the market and stay sidelines, you don't need pile of cash in the first place, but you need growing cashflow, set aside as much as you can from your cashflow into real money i.e. S&P and GLD, and this is the money you shouldn't touch at all, what I mean by saying "at all" is under no circumstances you should touch it unless it's for life critical matters, let the compounding machine works, can you tell me how much you will get if you add 1K per month at the end of 10 years with 15% annual return? if you can't stand the crash of 70% of real money, you shouldn't think of any investment and stay poor

104175567 Arsoni5t : I will also reiterate, holding cash is the sure way to make you poor, because cash is kept printed out of thin air, the currency you have today may buy a meal, in the next decade the same amount can only buy a coffee, so it will lose more than 90% of it's value, that's for real

EZ_money 104175567 : BlackRock, vanguard and State Street capital own 80% of the businesses in the s&p .... that doesn't seem like a free market to me.... sounds like one huge monopoly

Trwils1230 104175567 : in the next decade..... compared to the risk premium your exposing yourself to on equities..... this makes zero sense.  lose 60% in a decade, or lose 30% to 60% in a 1 to 3 month window. they have pumped the market..... it's highly concerning and your arguing to buy at the top, i think even average investors can see the pitfalls forming.... but hey.... patient and concerned investors may be wrong maybe it's just a moonshot forever and get in now or never... idk

104175567 Trwils1230 : how do you know it's buying the top? if you look at the M2 money supply before and after the pandemic, the ratio of money printed during the pandemic, where does it all go? and also there's something wrong with the style of investing of average investors including me, we tend to mix the money we need to use for our expenses with the money we need to buy assets, but if we do the following instead it will give you different perspective:

grow your cashflow by climbing the ladder (salary from working or dividend in business)

from your income, set as much as you can to allocate it into buying asset, this is the money you cannot touch at all except for the case of life critical matters.


the assets I mean is index linked ETF i.e. S&P, gold linked ETF, choose the good one, as well as real assets such as physical gold, properties.


then you don't think about it every day using TA, risk premium or whatever have you


when you buy a property, will you think to exit tomorrow when you think the market is overheated? the irony with financial market is we think we're in control because we have a push of buttons to exit in our mobile device.

always remember this, the paper money you have now may buy a meal today, the same amount can only buy coffee in the future, the value will shrink more than 90%, if you are ok with it then it's worse than seeing 60% drop over a decade that you mentioned

104175567 EZ_money : this is true, but I think we have no choice, we are slaves to the system, maybe there's no way out our paper money will just be kept printed while we're sleeping and they will pump it to companies that controls our lives