With all these banks, the question is: Do we see a trough in...

With all these banks, the question is: Do we see a trough in net interest income in the second half or in early 2025? And do we start to see growth again in net interest income next year? That's a critical question because if you do start to see net interest income growing, which is the biggest revenue component of banks, you start to get an outlook that allows banks to post positive operating leverage and improving EPS momentum and ROTC momentum.