ZhukovHatesPepsi : you gonna ban anyone who offers an opposing viewpoint to you again?

ZhukovHatesPepsi ZnWC OP : literally have never spoken about Tesla, except to ask people's opinions, so I definitely don't have a biased view.
you say you didn't ban me but reporting me didn't give me a chance to respond to your reply last time about me. So your opinions cannot be checked? who's the biased one now.
also if you actually bothered to understand my viewpoint you wouldn't have just jumped to the conclusion that I hate Tesla. My point was about ARK invest's investment belief not always matching up with their trades. They talk about long term investments I'm disruptive tech but they sold NVDA early, bought Tesla at its peak and had to sell some at a loss. ARK has to answer to their investors so fund managers like that usually can't hold a loss making trade for too long.
Also their valuation for Tesla is just bonkers. Tesla's PE right now is 70, at 260 dollar valuation. I do think Tesla is a good company and they can definitely grow in the future but to reach a valuation of 2000 before 2030? that's purely speculative trading and not investing. Tesla right now is struggling to meet the demand of its buyers, cyber trucks are still slow to roll out. They are receiving very little help as an EV maker from the government due to Elon Musk being disliked by a lot of politicians. But there is a demand for Tesla and I don't see it going away. Their biggest issue is supply at sustaining their growth. Elon is moving his factories to states with more favourable laws, especially after the incident where that judge blocked his contractual bonus from being paid. His biggest issue he faces is expanding his business without letting costs spiral. So Tesla is undergoing a transformation and will take a while before it reaches its full potential.

ZhukovHatesPepsi ZnWC OP : Tesla has only become profitable in the last 5 years so its valuation right now of 70 PE would mean it would need to almost double its EPS to fall into average PE of around 30x of the S&P 500, so 260 right now is the market already pricing in and expecting a doubling in growth. A valuation of 2000 would mean Telsa would have to double its growth, 3 whole more times.
Which I'm gonna be honest that kind of growth in the next 6 years, with Tesla right now backed up on orders already. Its a lot of wishful thinking, which is why I don't like ARKs thinking.
this does not mean I don't like Tesla. I think Tesla can grow and its a good company, I think people who want to buy Tesla must either see it as a long term investment or if they want to make short quick profit they best wait for dips and buy into

ZhukovHatesPepsi : end of the day, trust the fundamentals. other stocks are making more money now but its technical trading which is not my forte. when stocks are overvalued you sint know where the roof is. hut with fundamentals slyou can learn the true value

ZhukovHatesPepsi CNNT OP : what's your stellantis entry price? also of your entry is leaving you sore, just average into it during this lull period.
I bought cmou at 18 cents and didn't average down when it was at 13 cents, then it shot up to 20 cents and I sold eventhough fundamentally I knew it was worth 50 to 60 cents.  After I sold it went to 29 cents.

ZhukovHatesPepsi CNNT OP : 15 is an okay entry. you have to be prepared for a long hold though. stellantis has good 10 year financial results but they are susceptible to the fluctuations of the auto motive industry.
what makes me confident is that they aren't setting lofty goals but being ad realistic as possible.  j do t care much for the shake up of CEOs, a company moves along a beaten path at some point. I expect 2025 to be lacklustre and 2026 to be the recovery.
their valuation to 30 bucks was purely due to one financially amazing year but nothing to do with their overall financials. its why the stock dropped like crazy.  if they return to their 10 year average my fair value valuation is 22 usd. (higher now with interest rate cuts). and on the high end if it manages to recapture this newfound growth again the stock will raise in fair vakue to 33 usd.
the good thing about this company is that they strive for huge cashflow and accumulated cash before their banner year (2023).
bottom line is if the company can maintain their goals in line with what they did in the past 10 years, this stock will trend up.

ZhukovHatesPepsi : ark is one of the worst investment funds. Her timing is horrible. but just because ark invests in a particular stock doesn't mean the stock is bad. better to do ownself research instead of following or opposing ARKK

ZhukovHatesPepsi ZnWC OP : then why did ark pull out of NVIDIA early?

ZhukovHatesPepsi ZnWC OP : she managed to miss the boat on all the tech stocks in a year that they peaked. She buys stocks when they are high and sells them when they are low. o you can't really say she's in it for the long haul when she plays like a terrible swing trader.

ZhukovHatesPepsi 102171590 : how far up is the remainder if the technical gap?